Imagine being told to leave your hometown and don’t come back. That’s what David Hawkins and his 11 siblings heard growing up in East St. Louis, Illinois. But David ultimately pushed back on that narrative and is not only making a difference in his birthplace but in impoverished places around the world. Dave and David discuss everything from their trip to Africa together to race relations in the U.S. to the need for affirming life experiences from those we may disagree with.